Exclusive: Read full interview of Narendra Modi to Rajat Sharma in Aap Ki Adalat (Part 3)

Question from audience: You are campaigning relentlessly for last two months. From where do you get the motivation?Modi: I had started the campaign from 15th September. So now it's 6-7 months since I started the campaign. I am a laborer and my childhood was very tough and physically I am used to all this. I also do my Yoga and Pranayam. But the important point is that I believe you never get tired by doing work. You get tired when you don't work. When you clean your house, you don't get tired, it gives you satisfaction.People's blessings give you the power to work tirelessly. The only thing required is commitment. The love and affection that I have received from people in last 6 months keeps me running.Question from audience: When will we come out of caste based politics?Modi: That's why I say unless we start using saying - we the 1.25 crore people- the poison of caste will keep creating fissures in the society. There is no harm in feeling proud of your caste but the poison of casteism that creates hatred does not benefit anyone.Rajat Sharma: But Sonia ji says that you do what she calls ‘zeher ki kheti'.Modi: It's good that you have given me the opportunity to speak on this. In Jaipur in last June-July, there was Congress convention going on where Rahul made a speech. He said that I went to Mom's room this morning and I found her crying. She told me that power is poison. Now the question is who has been in power for the longest time? Who tasted the poison for the longest time? Who has the maximum amount of poison in the stomach? So who will spew poison the most?Rajat Sharma: Maulana Madani has said that Muslims are being made to feel scared in the name of Modi. You talk about national integration but it can actually break the country.Modi: What he said was that those who are saying all this are trying to break the nation.RS: He says that Muslims are being made to feel scared in your name. What is it in you that scare Muslims?Modi: I don't think they feel scared. In Gujarat, Muslims feel greater enthusiasm when my name is mentioned.Audience: America had banned your entry in that country. Will you go to US if you become PM?Modi: When it happened in 2005, I had told media that we want to create an India where Americans will have to stand in cue to seek visa.RS: American ambassador Nancy Powell had to leave after she met you. What did you do?Modi: (Laughs)...This is something that journalists should investigate.RS: You opponents allege that all your developmental claims in the state are hollow. Mulayam Singh yadav recently asked you to explain whether Gujarat, like UP, also has free irrigation, free education andfree medicines.Modi: He should have taken it further- free goondaism, free killings of innocents.RS: He responded when you said that it takes 56 inch chest for running the government.Modi: I had responded to him when he said that he will not allow UP becoming another Gujarat. It is then that I had said, “Neta ji, it takes 56 inches chest to make Gujarat. And then I went on to say, in order to make a state like Gujarat, you need to give electricity for 24 hours and 365 days. Most houses in Gujarat have the facility of drinking water from taps, 99% roads in rural regions have proper roads. I said, “You don't have that kind of stamina. You continue with caste oriented politics because you cannot go beyond that.” Today Ram Manohar Lohia must have been very upset with his disciples.RS: Rahul Gandhi alleges that you have created Gujarat's image just through marketing as far as facilities like electricity, water and employment are concerned.Modi: Okay, we can go to Delhi, Bengal and Assam for marketing. But I cannot do that in front of the people of Gujarat, right? They can see through right away. I say that I have constructed roads and if there are no roads, then the people there will never believe me. They would call me a liar if I had not done anything for the agricultural sector. Then I would have not won elections in 2002, 2007and 2012. I did not lose a single election. Gujarat is the only State that can fight the elections with the agenda of development. Even today our agenda is development and others are running away from this zone. They don't have courage to touch this issue. Because they feel that they will be answerable for this. When I had gone to visit Gujarat in 2001, people gathered to meet me. I hadn't visited my State for quite some time. I had nothing to do there. Before becoming the CM I had not even seen the CM's chamber. I was not even an MLA and I had not even fought teacher's elections.People would come to me and say, we are not asking for anything big.But at least provide us electricity during dinner time so that we don't have to eat in the dark. That means, during that period, Gujarat didn't even get electricity in the evening for dinner. Today Gujarat has electricity all around the year. This cannot be proved through marketing. When people switch on their bulb and see light, it is then that they believe that Modi has provided electricity.RS: But it is also true that you got Amitabh Bachchan for promotion and marketing.Modi: This is true...RS: It's the same Amitabh who was once a part of Congress and then SP...?Modi: There is difference between Modi and others. He is indeed close to Mulayam Singh Yadav. He is from UP and thus he has his attachments. But Mulayam Singh used him. He used him in his election campaigns with the slogan - “UP mein hai dum, zulm hai kam”. But that didn't work.Amitabh's role needs to be reflected with intellect. I used him to talk about Gujarat and not of Gujarat government. He advertises Kutch, its handicraft and lifestyle. So if I have that thought, that is my work. I use Amitabh Bachan as a productive resource for the welfare of Gujarat. It's been around 5 years that he's been working with me. Neither he has ever spoken about politics and nor have I. And today let me clarify, when I had given him the proposal that I wanted to promote tourism in Gujarat, he said, “I give you my voice and my face, you may use it”. He refused to take money from me. He does not take a single rupee for promoting tourism in Gujarat and for this I am extremely grateful to him.RS: We thought he must be earning a lot from your Government.Modi: I'm a “pakka Ahmedabadi” (pure Ahmedabadi). Our specialty is to find someone on whom we have least expenditure. We believe in single fare, double journey. We don't give money to people easily.RS: If you don't give then why is it being said that you gave cheap land to Tata, Adani and other builders?Modi: All these accusations are influenced by politics. Our Congress friends keep bringing up such issues. I say, is the Government of India asleep? Isn't it its responsibility to reprimand a Chief Minister if he is involved in such malpractices? Why aren't they taking any action?This means that they don't have courage to do even that. Secondly, as far as land allocation is concerned, the Supreme Court has said that the policy of Gujarat government is so good that all States must implement that model. Thirdly, a lie that is circulating is that Nano was given land. In reality, Nano was not given a single inch land from the State government. No agricultural land was given to Nano.RS: But there are accusations that farmer's lands were seized and given to Nano?Modi: These people don't know anything. The Supreme Court has given approval. We had given land to the industries on more than the market rate. Not the present market rate, but the rate that existed then. Gujarat is a policy driven state. Even if you go there, you will get the same benefit that the richest man of India will get.RS: Rahul Gandhi says that Gujarat's credibility cannot be proved because the state does not have RTI, the biggest information right that he has given to the citizens.Modi: These days he goes around saying that he has given this law and that law...ask him, does RTI apply to J&K? Do Right to education and Anti - corruption Bill apply to Kashmir? First he should see what his government has done. Moreover, Gujarat has RTI and there have never been any complains in Gujarat on RTI.RS: Now that you have mentioned Supreme Court I will have to take my case back.Audience: If your government is formed, will you give an assurance to Christian brothers and sisters that their churches will not be broken down?Modi: I have never heard of such incidents taking place...Audience: That they won't be burnt...?Modi: I have never heard of such instances. Our country does not believe in the concept of your God and my God. We believe that all Gods are one. We have different ways of accepting Him. All ways lead to Him. That is why our constitution does not allow any discrimination. We cannot have communal discussions. We can be religious but not communal. That is why BJP's moto is Sarva Panth Sambhav. In Gujarat we have the world's smallest community - Parsi. They even have a pilgrimage centre there. Look at the rich history of India. We have never tried to bring down any community's place of worship through sword or violence. Castes and religious divides are holding the nation backfrom growing. I want you all to be at peace.RS: You have given consolation to Parsis and Christians. Can you give assurance to Muslims?Modi: Every citizen of this nation has those rights and privileges that Narendra Modi has.RS: So nobody has to fear you.Modi: Some people will have to be afraid. Those who plunder the nation, deliver injustice, will have to feel scared of me. And I am not afraid of admitting this. Government cannot be so lenient that it forgives them. People must have sense of security. This does not exist and that is what causes all the trouble. You have to maintain some decorum even at home. And if it is a crime to maintain discipline then I admit my crime.RS: There's one man's rule in BJP. Modi's name is chanted everywhere. Even on all the posters. It appears that there is no other leader left in BJP.Modi: This is not true. BJP is a huge organization. It works in that structure. There is a galaxy of leaders who are equally competent. During elections we have to set a goal and prioritize issues. Even for this there is a committee of which Modi is not a part. Previously we worked under Atal ji's guidance. Then we worked under Advani ji, Harshvardhan in Delhi, Shivraj Singh in MP and in Rajasthan we worked under Vasundhara Raje. So responsibilities are distributed according to the party's goal. Right now I have been given this role and I have to do what the party has asked me to do. I am a worker of the party. We are a team.RS: If you are a team then why did Advani get upset three times?Modi: I don't think he is angry.RS: He was first annoyed when Narendra Modi was made the national convener for the elections in Goa. Then the party went to appease him. Next he was upset when Narendra Modi was declared BJP's PM candidate. He didn't attend that meeting and once again the party had to persuade him. Recently he was upset over ticket distribution in the Lok Sabha elections. He wanted to fight from Ahmedabad and party insisted that he contests from Bhopal.Modi: All these three issues have been clarified by Advani and the party. They were all fiction. Because after Goa meeting, he called me up to congratulate me. He was not well so he couldn't come to Goa. But this made juicy news for media.RS: And Jaswant Singh...Modi: Jaswant Singh has just written a review of one of my biographies.RS: And you didn't give him ticket...Modi: I don't distribute tickets. State election Committee sends its recommendations. Central committee approves of it. Recently we helped his son win elections. BJP has lakhs of workers. It becomes difficult to manage when tickets are distributed.RS: But the situation is so grave that Rahul Gandhi is worried that influential leaders like Jaswant Singh, L K Advani have been sidelined by Narendra Modi.Modi: These are people who held Modi's hand to make him walk. And even today I seek their advice by sitting at their feet. BJP does not work that way. But in their party, look what happened to Sitaram Kesri. He was the President of All India Congress Committee. They threw him out of his office to bring in Sonia Gandhi.RS: But now that culture is creeping into BJP. Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi tweeted- Sabir Ali has joined the party, now Dawood Ibrahim is next in line.Modi: Let those exchanges remain between them only.RS: Party workers say that very few people like you within the party although you have fan following outside. Raj Thackeray said that he will make Modi the Prime Minister.Modi: First part of your statement is not correct. Today there are senior and more experienced members than me in the party. But they have handed immense responsibility to me. My party workers are working relentlessly. If I am anything today, I owe it all to my party workers. That is why I cannot think that my party people do not support me because I would have not even been even at grass root level had it not been for them.RS: I have heard that Kumar Vishwas has been praising you and dedicating poems to you. He said that Narendra Modi used to talk to him.Modi: Now that is true. I used to talk to a lot of people. Many say that Modi does not talk to anyone, but at least he is honest in claiming that I talked to him.RS: But there is no confusion on the leadership in Congress...Modi: ...That is what has led to Congress' fall. Instead of improving the economy of the nation, they are busy generating income for one family.RS: Dr Manmohan Singh has said that Rahul Gandhi has outstanding credentials to become the Prime Minister and I am willing to work under his guidance. Has any big leader in your party made such a statement in your favour?Modi: There's a reason for that - I say, I am willing to work under theirguidance. I work under them.RS: But one such leader, Murli Manohar Joshi, wanted a ticket from Varansi but you went there.Modi: I was given that offer. And he is fighting from Kanpur. I believe he is going to win with largest number of votes this time.Audience: Sir your clothes are very stylish, who is your designer?Modi: I left my house when I was very young. I could fit all my belongings in a small bundle. I kept wandering for 40 - 45 years and I spent over 40 years begging for food. I had to wash my own clothes. So I thought my shirt occupied too much effort in washing and space too. I cut the sleeves myself. So my shirt became half sleeved. I have been wearing such clothes for over 25 years. Yes, I like to dress up well and stay clean. God has gifted me the sense of mixing and matching colors. So I manage everything on my own. Since I'm God gifted I fit well in everything. I have no fashion designer but I'm happy to hear that I dress well.RS: You are secretive about your personal life. Only recently we got to know that you used to sell tea at the Railway stations.Modi: It is true that I don't talk much about my personal life. People of Gujarat know a lot. But Media today is so vibrant that even if something falls off from the pocket they come to know. Then one day I'd come to Delhi and some Congressmen went about saying silly things about me, they even abused me. They said that Modi was an American agent and what not. I was hurt. I had my rally in Rohini (Delhi). I said, do you even know me? I have spent my childhood selling tea at railway stations and you are throwing such allegations on me? That's how you all got to know about me. Other than that, so many things keep happening; I can't go around telling everything.RS: You were so naughty that when you were a child you used to catch crocodile babies from the lake and take them home.Modi: I was brave, not naughty. There was a pond in my village and I loved to swim in that pond. I even had to wash my clothes there. So one day I picked up a crocodile baby and took it home. Later on I even took it to school and my teachers were very upset.RS: You left your home when you were very young and went up to the Himalayas.Modi: Yes I've left my home on several occasions. I wanted to lead a spiritual life. Like I said I spent some years begging for food for sustenance. Even now I desire that. I was greatly influenced by Swami Vivekananda. I visited Ramakrishna Mission and several other places. Irecently visited Swami Atmaghanananda. That was another world which I have loved.RS: It's astonishing that a man who used to sell tea and beg for food has now become a brand himself. Comics are written on you, chips and vegetables are sold in your name. Miscellaneous goods are sold in your name.Modi: It is astonishing, I admit. If you consider my background - I am the Chief Minister of Gujarat and my mother still resides in a small house in the village. I am surprised myself as I don't have any background. It's like a miracle that has worked in my life. I don't understand what people want out of me or the party, I don't know.RS: Congress feels that you have prepared a huge underground team who work constantly on social media to create Narendra Modi's image.Modi: Congress is right for once. I have worked underground in 1975 and 1977 - two years when Mrs Indira Gandhi had imposed emergency on the nation and had imprisoned important leaders. Police were hunting for me too. Then I would wear a turban and stay dressed as a Sardar to hide my identity. Since then Congress is scared of me. My life is an open book. It is true that lakhs of people ae associated with me in this election who have got nothing to do with BJP, politics. They are only concerned about the nation. Over 10000 people have come fromoverseas to assist. I met around 400 youngsters. They are all IITians. They have been putting efforts in their own way. I don't even know those people. But if I don't know that doesn't not mean it's underground.Audience: If you become Prime Minister then will Advani become the next President?Modi: If Modi becomes Prime Minister, it would mean that Advani has made him so. Those who give me position, how can I give them anything?Audience: I know that you will become the PM. I have full confidence. I don't wish to ask you a question. All I want you to do is to remove black magic from this country with your magic.Modi: If there are millions of others like you then black magic will anyway vanish.Audience: After 2002 Gujarat riots, Indian, International media, politicians - were all after you. How did you cope with all of this?Modi: If you are dependent on truth, then you get the strength to face all accusations. Even today I face all sorts of indictments. Maybe my life's strife has made me strong. Had I not been so strong,maybe I would have not won the hearts of millions of people. I'm privileged to have suffered. I now convert all strife into an opportunity and so far I've been successful.RS: You had strength and were supported by truth, so why didn't you discuss this before. Why are you saying all this today in Aap Ki Adalat ?Modi: First of all, whenever I was asked on this issue, I answered all the questions. But I feel that some people do not want answers to questions. They want to hear what they have to say. And their problem is that they don't do their homework. That's why they can't ask me much.RS: They just want Narendra Modi to apologize.Modi: Even when I step down from my bed in the morning, I ask mother earth for her forgiveness. Who am I? I'm just a child of this earth.Audience: All the parties have stressed on women protection in their manifesto. What will you do that women feel secure?Modi: If you get the opportunity, in October on Navratri, we have a ceremony that continues till over midnight. You can walk around. You will see young girls, clad in jewellery, will be hanging out and riding their scooties. Everything is possible.RS: Mulayam Singh Yadav has made a statement at a public meeting that rape is a minor offense and capital punishment is not justified. He said that I become the Prime Minister then I'll change this law.Modi: If you start collecting such mean statements then, after Mumbai's terror attack, a Congress minister had said, such minor incidents keep happening. This mindset is very dangerous for the country. Don't we feel the pain when such crimes take place? I understand that it takes time to bring about social change. But how can we be so insensitive. For a moment imagine that you are that girl who has been raped. Will you then think that it is a small incident? Or think that your own daughter has been raped and then you'll understand. Every daughter of India is our daughter. The kind of things that we are hearing nowadays, are so troubling to the mind. And even then some ministers add salt to the wound because of their ignorance. It is very painful. I don't want to give a political answer for this nor do I want to score a political point. I pray to God that at least he doesn't give us such mentality.(Concluded)