2G Scam: AAP releases transcripts of alleged phone talk involving Kanimozhi

New Delhi: Keeping its promise, AAP released telephonic conversation to expose the involvement of DMK MP and Karunanidhi's daughter Kanimozhi Karunanithi in the 2G spectrum scam. In the chargesheet filed by the CBI against Kanimozhi Karunanithi states that Shahid Balwa, whose company (Swan Telecom) eventually got some of the 2G spectrum licenses, from his company, paid more than Rs 200 Crore as illegal gratification to M/s Kalaignar TV Pvt. Ltd which is owned by the family of M Karunanidhi. The transaction of more than Rs 200 crore between Dynamix Realty, Kusegaon Fruits & Vegetables, Cineyug Films and Kalaignar was shown as unsecured loan. When A Raja was contacted by the CBI for his examination, in an attempt to conceal the real nature of these dubious transactions, Kalaignar TV started refunding the amount of Rs 200 Crore with Interest to Dynamix Realty through Cineyug Films and Kusegaon F&V. A Raja was arrested on 02.02.2011 and Kanimozhi Karunanidhi was arrested on 21.05.2011. The four new tapes that have now surfaced contain conversations between: 1. The then Tamil Nadu Chief of Intelligence – Jaffer Sait and M Shanmuganathan, the then Chief Minister's Secretary (M Karunanidhi's secretary) dated 31.12.2010. 2. The then Tamil Nadu Chief of Intelligence – Jaffer Sait and Sharad Kumar Reddy, MD, Kalaignar TV dated 13.2.2011. 3. The then Tamil Nadu Chief of Intelligence – Jaffer Sait and Kanimozhi Karunanidhi, Rajya Sabha Member of the DMK and daughter of M Karunanidhi. (two conversations dated 23.11.2010 and 16.02.2011) Following are the transcripts of all four conversations: Conversation 1: Dated: 31.12.2010 The conversation is between the then TN Intelligence Chief Jaffar Sait, IPS and the then Chief Minister's secretary Shanmuganathan Phone rings Jaffar picks up the call : Jaffar here…-Hello, Shanmuganathan…Jaffar Sait : Sir I have spoken to them…Shanmuganathan : ok and…Jaffar Sait: He is saying that he will give 60 crore rupees first…its all ready…I will give it as advertisement (to Kalaignar TV) for 5 years.Shanmuganathan: Ok ok…Jaffar Sait: Another 20 crores…he says he will arrange but he is saying it cant be done immediately it seems.Shanmuganathan : Ok okJaffar Sait: Sir he said 60 crore is confirmed. I told them ok and have asked them to work out for that 60 crore rupees. Remaining 40 crores rupees…I told them first we will finish this and then we will do something for the remaining amount.Shanmuganathan: ok ok…Jaffar Sait : He is giving as an amount for advertisement sir…(Audio Disturbance) and they will give it to the company.Shanmuganathan: If we do like that it won't be correct…Jaffar Sait: That's what sir…I will meet him once again in the evening and talk to him…Shanmuganathan: he has arranged for 60 crore rupees…and its ready sir…and he has said that he will arrange for another 20 crores.Shanmuganathan: Ok okJaffar Sait: Sir he has suggested another thing…if you get permission…he knows some through whom he can arrange another 40 crore rupees.Shanmuganathan: ok ok ok…Jaffar Sait: He said I will tell you about that person when we meet not over the phone…and I will meet him and talk to him and will get back to you in the evening sir. Thank you. Conversation Ends…Conversation 2: Date - 13-02-2011 Conversation between the then Tamil Nadu Intelligence Chief Jaffar Sait, IPS and Kalaignar TV MD Sharad Kumar Reddy. -Jaffer Sait: Sharad!! Sharad!!-Voice: Sharad and Amirtham sir are here, they haven't met the CM…-Jaffar Sait: I am trying on his number but he is not rechable…-Voice: Shall I give my phone sir?-Jaffar Sait: Ok! Give him your phone…-Sharad Reddy: Hello!-Jaffar Sait: Yea, Sharad…-Sharad Reddy: Yes sir…-Jaffar Sait: Your phone is not reachable…-Sharad Reddy: Sir I have kept that in the car sir…I had come to Thalivar's house…-Jaffar Sait: Ok ok!! -Sharad Reddy: Sir, those Cineyug people had called from Delhi and Mumbai…and they said that their information is that next week positively…they are not going to come with the questioner or something they will only come and take custody of the directors so please be prepared. So I asked him how sure are you…he said Boss! All our information is sure…its 100 percent sure. Please inform your leader right now. So I said its afternoon time right now…its not possible. They are saying we are passing on the information to you…now its up to to you decide how you want to handle it. Beyond this we cannot tell…so please please… -Jaffar Sait: Last time also they said this know? -Sharad Reddy: Last time they said said…(voice overlaps) -Jaffar Sait: Our TV office they are coming he said…You remember? -Sharad Reddy: He said they said…even now he said… Everything is ready… they are now pushing for arrest…they are not pushing for questioner or inquiry…they are pushing for arrest. So its up to you guys to take it…you please do another thing check up from your sources before you want to take any further action. I called up Amirtham sir (One of the Directors of Kalaignar TV) he had gone to some function…Ramnarayanan sir's grand daughter some function was there…first he said leave it then he said no…no…its better we first go tell off Shanmuganathan sir (Karunanidhi's personal secretary)…that time I sent you an SMS saying we are getting here…We came here then they decided NOT to tell…then I went back home…then again I got a call saying come back… -Jaffar sait: No..I told Shanmuganathan not to tell now…pleas we check up… -Sharad Reddy: Correct sir…Its better we check up and 100 percent sure and then do it…form whatever they are saying they sounded little panicky…Just now I think from Chidambaram sir and the entire congress people have landed up…so we are waiting sitting down…So TR Baalu sir said he will handle it. That's where its now.-Jaffar Sait: When you are telling Thalivar…tell that you have also told me…-Sharad Reddy: Thanks sir..thanks sir… -Jaffar Sait: I am Checking up…They are saying that its 50-50 only. Guys are not confirming…they are saying that now way. They are telling about 2-3 logic… one they saying in that case first to be touched will be the Senior guys. -Sharad Reddy: Correct!-Jaffar Sait: That has not been done…may be there are doing it to apply some pressure. So that they will not look in that direction. We have conveyed the facts about the transaction and the fact that she is not the director. She is only a share holder and the other director is not there…and these are the things which is a…-Sharad Reddy: When the transaction occurred she was there sir…that is what? -Jaffar Sait: What!!! What!!!-Sharad Reddy: When the transaction took place she was the Director…-Jaffar Sait: Really!!!-Sharad Reddy: Yes sir-Jaffar Sait: Ooohhh…that day you said No…-Sharad Reddy: She resigned in December…all back date is going now na sir…I am sitting and finding so. -Jaffar Sait: No resigned in December…those things come in? -Sharad Reddy: Money came in 2008 no sir. -Jaffar Sait: Ohh..this December only she resigned? Which December? -Sharad Reddy: Yes Sir! This December or may be last…but she was there as the director when…SIR I HAVE SIGNED SOME 100 PAGES OF BACK DATED THING YESTERDAY ONLY AND I HAVE TAKEN A XEROX AND SITTING AND READING IT NOW. -Jaffar Sait: Hmmm -Sharad Reddy: THE PROBLEM IS THAT…BECAUSE WE ARE HEARING NEWS AND GETTING NEWS AND THE QUERIES…THEN WE ARE MANIPULATING ACCORDING TO THAT…SO THE PAGES ARE BEING CHANGED.-Jaffar Sait: Hmmm... -Sharad Reddy: Then Kani Madam was not there in 2007 after 2007…Periyama continued to be (Referring to Karunanidhi's wife Dayalu Ammal). -Jaffar Sait: Periyamma, Continued to be that I know. There because and she has said that she has no knowledge of English or Tamil no… -Sharad Reddy: Correct!! Correct!!-Jaffar Sait: They cannot link her. But even otherwise the transaction we are saying and you are saying…it's a fact also. It's a clean transaction …taking by cheque.-Sharad Reddy: Talking is not a problem…the only question is that which angle is it going to take? -Jaffar Sait: That's what I am telling…My guys…my sources are telling…that is highly precipitative…which they will not do…first they will question…even if that's the case…they will question and if they are not convinced and if there is something…they see that tracing or some u know…hmmm… damaging the trial or destroying the evidence all those things then they may go for that…-Sharad Reddy: Then they will take it little aggressively…-Jaffar Sait: Yeah…-Sharad Reddy: I just conveyed it to you. You want to talk to Shanmuganathan sir and tell the same…tell him in Tamil it will be better than me sir?-Jaffar Sait: No no…I will tell…you are meeting Boss tell this also later I will tell Boss in the evening..-Sharad Reddy: Ok Sir…Thank You sir… Conversation EndsConversation 3: Date – 16-02-2011 Conversation between the then Tamil Nadu Intelligence Chief Jaffar Sait, IPS and DMK Rajya Sabha Member Kanimozhi Karunanidhi. -Kanimozhi: Yes tell me! -Jaffar Sait: If I tell you…you will kick me…(Laughs) -Kanimozhi: What is it? -Jaffar Sait: If I tell you…you will kick me…but I will tell you… -Kanimozhi: hmmm yes… -Jaffar Sait: For the Second time I have been talking to the person who is in custody for the second time. (He refers to A Raja or Shahid Balwa promoter of DB Realty) -Kanimozhi: (Laughs) Atleast, I am in your custody. -Jaffar Sait: Yes mam… (Laughs)…Mam, I will just read out a statement…see if it in line mam…I just suggested to Boss (Refers to Karunanidhi) ..Boss said ok..I just wanted to keep you informed mam. -Jaffar Sait: Reads out the statement in Tamil:-Kanimozhi: It will be like atleast we are preempting - Jaffar Sait: Yeah…Yes maam.-Kanimozhi : Good…It will be like saving us even as we fall (uses a Tamil Proverb)-Jaffer Sait: Atleast, General Public will think…these buggers are ready they have already given what if they come (Refers to CBI) -Kanimozhi: And we are also preparing them -Jaffar : Yes yes!! And 10 percent fellows will say that all this is set up. - Kanimozhi: Yes yes… -Jaffar Sait: At any cost they are going to say that… -Kanimozhi:Yes that's true -Jaffar Sait:Atleast 70 percent fellows will say instead of Kalaignar TV surprising us..We have already said we are an open book…so let them read it. -Kanimozhi: Laughs -Jaffar sait: Now we are saying you read…we are a library-Kanimozhi:Invitation (Laughs) -Jaffar sait: I just suggested…boss said ok…I thought I will take your opinion. Its better know mam? -Kanimozhi: Yes it's definitely better than what he was saying… -Jaffar Sait: Yes maam -Kanimozhi : Because he is trying be so funny…he is saying they come at this time that time…nobody will know. That and all -Jaffar Sait: They will tip off and come mam. -Kanimozhi: Yeah that right… -Jaffar Sait: This is better-Kanimozhi: They will all be our men…-Jaffar Sait: Tomorrow it will be published saying We are ready for CBI investigations says Sharad Kumar…-Kanimozhi: Please mention which sharad Kumar properly…-Jaffar Sait: I have not mentioned Nadar Peravai (Referring to actor Sharad Kumar) (Laughs)…this Sharad Kumar is handicapped…-Kanimozhi:Yes yes!!! Don't say handicapped…say differently abled..-Jaffar Sait: Yes sorry…in my native and in my department if 2 different criminals have same name then we will give him a nick name…-Kanimozhi: hmmm-Jaffar Sait: For example like “Maalaikan” Suresh…”Bullet” Ravi…like that we will name him “One leg” Sharad…-Kanimozhi: Laughs…I thought you will save him when he is taken into custody…looks like that is also not going to happen.-Jaffar Sait: You are the only guardian…But I am assisting him in little whatever way I can-Kanimozhi: He is a poor chap-Jaffar Sait: you mean to say I am poor chap madam…-Kanimozhi: Both of you-Jaffar Sait: Ok maam…laughs-Kanimozhi: They have kept us in PSP School-Jaffar Sait: Would you like to stay there or shall I ask to organize some other place maam-Kanimozhi: No no… Its ok…No problem.-Jaffar Sait: What about Lunch maam?-Kanimozhi: They will organize no?-Jaffar Sait: Yeah they will organize…but for you maam?-Kanimozhi: Same thing…or it will look bizarre.-Jaffar Sait: Ok maam-Kanimozhi: Or else I thought I will ask them to organize special lunch for this wedding hall (Kanimozhi was kept in a wedding hall after preventive arrest)…Ohhh you will organize is it? They won't organize here? -Jaffar Sait: You mean DMK? No…No When people are in our custody…it's the responsibility of the state to provide lunch… -Kanimozhi: Ohhh -Jaffar Sait: For your information…we have been fighting this issue because…per day per issue for per person the government is only giving 10 rupees. -Kanimozhi: U can buy food in this amount -Jaffar Sait: Yes maam we have been fighting this issue…we cant…that's why these fellows go to hotels -Kanimozhi: Ohhhh -Jaffar Sait: In such massive arrests..our people will go ask Saravana Bhavan…They will threaten will you provide lunch or shall we do the honours -Kanimozhi: 10 rupees is injustice -Jaffar Sait: Yes Madam -Kanimozhi: Or eles the police department should start its own kitchen -Jaffar Sait: Actually my suggestion was that…starting a Centralized kitchen…but DGP is not accepting. My suggestion is both for them as well as personnel on duty. -Kanimozhi: Ahh…that's a good idea actually -Jaffar Sait: Yes! Maam…I will do it when I become DGP….and pls don't forget me to appoint me as the Director General of Police. -Kanmozhi: You have only told me that you will predict my future-Jaffar Sait: I am telling u madam…-Kanimozhi: What???-Jaffar Sait: It's going to be a dynasty type of rule…-Kanimozhi: I don't want that and all…I will go join when im home Conversation EndsConversation 3: 23/11/2010 Conversation between DMK Rajya Sabha MP Kanimozhi and TN Intelligence Chief Jaffar Sait, IPS -Jaffar Sait: In Murosali office…-Kanimozhi: Ohhhh-Jaffar Sait: What are people saying? (Referring to Karunanidhi)…That what Anna people are saying that he is such a (Karunanidhi) good leader and they have earned bad name for him. (Referring to 2G scam) All his achievements have gone in vein. Yes!!! What a blunder it was… Kanimozhi: hmmm Jaffar Sait: I told him please take the auction route…please take the auction route… Kanimozhi: Hmmm… How they work no…huh…Helloo Jaffar Sait: Yes maam…I was very very….i was taken a back Kanimozhi: Yesterday, he quite a thing of celebration will be there no…that tone was but..Jaffar Sait: When he was in Tirchy?Kanimozhi: Yes yes…no no…they won't say anything…Jaffar Sait: You will know the mood no maam?Kanimozhi: Yes yes…This is atrocious ya…how they work no…!!! We should scold the grandman for everything…Jaffar Sait: We have learnt from them and we will beat them…hands downKanimozhi: yesss…Jaffar Sait: And yesterday's thing again it cropped up…Kanimozhi: What?Jaffar Sait: TV issue (Referring to Kalaignar TV issue)Kanimozhi: HmmmJaffar Sait: Again…boss says nobody told me about this (Referring to Karunanidhi)Kanimozhi: Aaaiyooo…Aaiyooo…hmmmJaffar Sait: Apparently “Theekkathir Daily” (CPM TN Mouth Piece) has come out with a bad article…Kanimozhi: yesterday no…yessss Jaffar sait: In that article they have mentioned about the TATA-VOLTAS deal…he claimed that no one told me about this (Referring to Karunanidhi) Kanimozhi: Ohhhhh Jaffar sait: We have already told you…we have taken enough steps and all corrective steps have been taken…we have done everything that needs to be done. Kanimozhi: But actually…it does not belong to them also no…it belongs to somebody else… Jaffar Sait: What mam? Kanimozhi: That thing also (Referring to Voltas property in Chennai) that doesn't belong to them no legally…Jaffar Sait: Legally No…But TRIL and all that thing Theekkathir has written in length no…TRIL and Nira…Kanimozhi: Ahhh…What is TRIL… Jaffar Sait: TATA RETAIL AND INFRASTRUCTURES LIMITEDKanimozhi : Ohhh ok ok Jaffar Sait: Voltas is the subsidiary of thatKanimozhi: Yes yes… Jaffar Sait: This Nira Radia should be shot in the mouth…Kanimozhi: Ahhhh….hmmm… (Laughs) someone today asked me…even anybody in his place…only they must have facilitated the thing…Jaffar Sait: Yeah…Kanimozhi: This man…in that place would have definitely known that enforcement department is tapping… Jaffar Sait: HmmmKanimozhi: How that he not know?Jaffar Sait: Exactly maam… Kanimozhi: Hmmm…and he should have been the one who should have warned all of us.Jaffar Sait: If I had known that you are in communication with her…I would have definitely told you and he was aware… Kanimozhi: Oh really…aware of what…Jaffar Sait: yesss…those guys are saying…I told you once no…maam…his communication chief why is she blabbering?Kanimozhi: HmmmJaffar Sait: It was his official network which was being tapped into…Kanimozhi: Innocent fellow… Jaffar Sait: He was totally innocent…absolutely.Kanimozhi: that's what I am saying…innocence also has a heave price to pay.Jaffar Sait: When you have friends like former PM of India… Laughs… Jaffar Sait: In one statement he completely made a U turn. (Referring to Statement made by A Raja saying that PM and Chidambaram were aware of what he did and everything happened with their concurrence.) Kanimozhi: That's only know…politician also…it's a very clever thing to say….Jaffar Sait: Anyway boss is a politician no…I mean all his hardwork and everything is gone means…big Joke eh… Kanimozhi: I would love to go to Chennai slums and as what it means?Jaffar Sait: Which one mam? Kanimozhi: No no…I love to go to one of the Chennai slums…not even in village…in one of the slums in Chennai and ask them have they heard of this…(Referring to 2G scam)Jaffar Sait: everyone will think it's some circulated urea… or fertilizer. Kanimozhi: hmmm…What clever… What to do something has to be done for damage control…Boss should also take it with a pinch of salt no…because he know he hates him.Jaffar Sait: The only problem that boss says…he completely denies…Kanimozhi: What??? Jaffar Sait: he completely denies…Kanimozhi: Knowing only no…?Jaffar Sait: Hmmm Kanimozhi: That is aa…..Knowing fully well and everything happened was briefed and particularly told not to tell me also… Jaffar Sait: No mam you remember that we told Boss…Kanimozhi: Hmmm Jaffar Sait: For that…Power plant and this came from BIG source…Kanimozhi: Ahhh…Jaffar Sait: and we divided by 50 percent…you remember it mam..?Kanimozhi: Ahhh..hmmm Jaffar Sait: So today when he was asking about this “Theekkathir” Thing…and he was going hammer and tongs on that Theekkaathir daily article thing…and where from money is coming and what this all contracts and all he was talking…Kanimozhi: Hmmm Jaffar Sait: So I told him…no no no…nothing like that. You remember this was the one we told…no on you never told…no I told and we have sold all of it…Kanimozhi: Hmmm Jaffar Sait: No no I don't know anything…like that…Kanimozhi: Aaiyooo… Jaffar Sait: I don't know what to do…Laughs…Kanimozhi: The same thing the same like he is taking with the TV no…(Refers to Kalaignar TV transaction issue) Jaffar Sait: Yesss…he said TV issue no one told me. Now he is asking to close down the channel immediately. Kanimozhi: Which one Television? (Refers to Kalaignar TV)Jaffar Sait: Yes Kanimozhi: That's actually a good idea…anyway we are near it.Jaffar Sait; We need not do anything…on its own it will go…Kanimozhi: No if we close it now…at least I wont get bankrupt.Jaffar Sait: Laughs…I am coming to delhi today evening mam…Kanimozhi: See you then tomorrow. Jaffar Sait: Yes maam…thank you.Kanimozhi: if you can…see u also cant tell things beyond a point. Jaffar Sait: what can I do man…I told him about the PR work…many points…CAG is favorable for us. We have to highlight all that …for that we have to do some PR work…he asked me you should do it. Now only we have got a person…We Its very difficult to get a person in Delhi…We don't have any establishment. Now only we have got one person and we will start the work gradually. He said ok you see… Kanimozhi: Hmmm I don't know what ….. the moment I got down everyone from Selvaganapathy to some of the congress people…started asking how can you say you don't mind JPC over that. Jaffar Sait: You should have told boss about it…its was a mistake madam…Kanimozhi: What can I do…even a general talk is becoming a trouble.Jaffar Sait: Even gossip is becoming a problem…(Attends a phone call) Yes maam…yes maam. Kanimozhi: How to go and say anything about him yaar?Jaffar Sait: Atleast somebody should convey maam…or else they will get…Kanimozhi: What will happened is… they will never agree for JPC…Sushma Swaraj, such a very intelligent woman…be nice to the PM. She said you can even summon the Prime Minister if you want JPC. Jaffar Sait: hmmmKanimozhi: Now congress is up and they don't…they definitely don't want it…they are asking how can you say that…?Jaffar Sait: Hmmm Kanimozhi: They don't want it…Any day no…now his name is dragged…and if you call the PM in the JPC what will happen? Congress Narayansamy is saying elections are round the corner and they will give news in every paper on a daily basis…what will you do…?Jaffar Sait : Yess yesss!!! That's what we told boss yesterday…You can explain to him better than this… Delhi whatever happened there has to be conveyed to the CM. If you feel that not directly…atleast some one should…who can speak to boss should convey. Or make Narayansamy to convey… Kanimozhi: aahmmm Jaffar Sait: That I can do…Kanimozhi: I think Selvaganapathy can…he speaks openly, I was shaken a bit. When we went to salem they took me in some wrong route and all I dint say anything…and when he was talking to my dad…he informed him about it it seems.Jaffar Sait: Ohhhh(Not Audiable)Kanimozhi: I should be little careful. I will talk to you tomorrow.Jaffar Sait : Ok mam thank youKanimozhi: We will talk in Delhi… Conversation EndsJune 13, 2009 Niira Radia: Hello Ratnam: Yeah, morning Madam. Niira Radia: haan, haan namaskaaraa Ratnam: Madam (Rajathiammal, third “wife” of Karunanidhi and mother of DMK MP, Kanimozhi) baat karna chahti hai Niira Radia: Haan, haan, diijiiye Ratnam: de duun? Niira Radia: haan haan, please ok (whispers to someone nearby: Karunanidhi ke ghar se)— call is being transferred, (she takes a deep breath, oh I am so sorry) call connects— Hello how are you (very sweetly indulgent)? Rajathiammal: Hello, I am fine, how are you Niira Radia: I am so sorry, I'm fine, I have not been in touch, I am busy! How are you? Rajathiammal: Hmmmm fine. Niira Radia: Yeah, keeping better? Rajathiammal: ummm Niira Radia: Good, good, good. How is CM (Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi) Rajathiammal: (mumbles) aahhh fine fine Niira Radia: (tone is still sweetly indulgent) OK. Good, very good. Kani(Kanimozhi), Kani, I met last week, I didn't meet her this week. Kani is in Chennai? Rajathiammal: ahh yes. Niira Radia: She's come back no? How are things? (Rajathi mumbles again, clear she is not comfortable talking English) Good. How are things? Rajathiammal: mumbles something inaudible Niira Radia: Haan? (silence for sometime) Rajathiammal: (barely managing to blurt out:) what happened? Niira Radia: (voice turning anxious) To? Rajathiammal: aaahh Niira Radia: Tata? Rajathiammal: Ah, yes Niira Radia: (very anxious) Not done? Rajathiammal: No, not done (voice low) Niira Radia: Ratnam there? Rajathiammal: Yes. Niira Radia: I will talk, let me speak to him. I thought it was all done Rajathiammal: (voice low) yes, ummm (hands over to Ratnam)Niira Radia: Hi Ratnam (tone changes, more authoritative) Ratnam: Hi Madam Niira Radia: What happened its not done? (anxious indignation in the voice) Ratnam: No Madam, it's not done. That's why I just gave you a message, no madam. Niira Radia: I didn't get a message. Ratnam: Madam? Niira Radia: I got a new mobile, you know I changed my mobile. I thought you got my mobile. You don't have my new mobile number? Ratnam: I am talking to you on that mobile only na? Same mobile he (?) also tried no? Niira Radia: No, no, this is my regular mobile, this is my 107. The other one, my indicom, my indicom Ratnam: Tata Indicom ... You've changed your mobile ma'm? Niira Radia: Yeah 092500 Ratnam: 2500 Niira Radia: 8888 Ratnam: No, this (new number) has not been given to us. Niira Radia: No, no, I had told Cecilia (Personal assistant to Krishna Kumar, Director, Tata Sons, and one of key aides of Ratan Tata, and also Chairman, Tata Realty and Infrastructure Ltd.) last week itself. I said please send it. Ratnam: You know Cecelia is totally ... last one week, has not been in touch. Niira Radia: No, no, I will tell you why. Her mother, her mother's is in hospital. Ratnam: yeah, that I know. Niira Radia: She's been very sick. So that's why Cecilia has been a little problematic. Ratnam: ummm, ummmm. But you said no, you yourself had done. Niira Radia: Yeah! Ratnam: But that has not come. That's why I sent a message. Niira Radia: (short silence) I cant believe it, is it? Ratnam: Yeah madam, yeah madam Niira Radia: That can't be possible (anxiety in her voice) Ratnam: No ma'm, it has not come. Niira Radia: (short silence) What about Tatas? What's happening on that? Ratnam: Ma'am, Tata everything's ok, but this rent 50 percent, yesterday I got a mail, that's why yesterday also I tried you. Niira Radia: Haan. Ratnam: This agreement, they say that 50 percent of the rent has to be paid by us. For which I have already sent a mail to Krishna Kumar stating that its not possible. Then I made a call to Krishna Kumar, he did not picked up (sic) and then I called Sanjay Ubhalia (Managing Director, Tata Realty and Infrastructure ltd) Niira Radia: Haan. Ratnam: He says that he will take up the issue with Krishna Kumar and sort it out. Niira Radia: No, but when you were in Bombay, it was agreed that no rent and— Ratnam: Everything was clearly agreed and Krishna Kumar also said that he will talk to Voltas (a Tata Group company) and he will waive that. But yesterday I tried ten times to call Krishna Kumar and he didn't pick up, and he was in a meeting it seems. Niira Radia: No, No yesterday there was a board meeting of Indian Hotels and the annual results were being announced, and also they were in the middle of buying Sea Rock Hotel in Bombay, you know? Ratnam: Hmmm Niira Radia: So that's why it was very difficult to reach him yesterday. Ratnam: yeah, yeah, that's why I called you, I wanted to tell you this yesterday. Niira Radia: No, I will speak to him, ahh Ratnam, I will speak to him Monday, because you know today he is not there, he has gone with the Chairman (Ratan Tata). I hope he hasn't gone, he was supposed to travel to the US today Ratnam: Who, mam'?) Niira Radia: Krishna Kumar was supposed to travel to US today. Ratnam: No ma'am, only one day, Thursday only he come back, na madam? Niira Radia: No, no, he has gone again. He is going with his Chairman today. Ratnam: Is it, ma'am? Yeah, yeah, he was scheduled to travel this morning by Air India Ratnam—oh! Niira Radia: Let me check, let me check. I will have a word with ma'm. But on the other matter I am surrprised! Ratnam: Yes, Ma'm, that's why I am repeatedly calling Cecilia, and that mobile is totally switched off.Niira Radia: ummmmm ahhhh, let me talk to her. I will talk to her and, you got my other number na???Ratnam: I got your number, that number is now your.... Niira Radia: Yeah, yeah, do me a favour Ratnam. Give me a missed call on that number from your phone. Ratnam: yeah, yeah??You don't have any other phone Ratnam???Ratnam: I have Madam. Give me a missed call from that number na, which is...(trails off)